The Mindstream is DEAD!! I'm getting mine soon!

[chefjpaul]

@drsalomon where did that email/letter come from?
I did not receive an email from them :confused:

I got one today from them as well.

 

[SandJ]

I got one today from them as well.

I found it in my spam folder. Called the credit card company to update them.

 

[reefwiser]

There is already chemical automation for pools. Having automated testing of po4, no3, alk, ca etc wouldn't really be beneficial for the cost of a person running a pool company, which I am

We already have systems available to monitor and adjust orp, ph and ppm CL2. These systems can control salt chlorine generators, chlorine and acid feed pumps and co2 feeds. We also use them in conjunction with ozone and UV

We use them on commercial applications and high end residential

Reefbot is also Looking at the pool market.
Lot large market than aquariums LaMotte Spintouch is another testing system.
http://waterlinkspintouch.com/Most testing companies cover all types of test. I spent years in the food industry. Tons of testing done there too.

 

[Jonathan Troutt]

I had a sneaky suspicion when i hears they were not only charging $1000 for the machine but then the ridiculous monthly subscription to use the machine this would happen. I wrote the mindstream off when i found that information out.
Sorry to those that spent their money on this only to get the shaft. $1000 paper weight.

 

[Bayareareefer18]

Reefbot is also Looking at the pool market.
Lot large market than aquariums LaMotte Spintouch is another testing system.
http://waterlinkspintouch.com/Most testing companies cover all types of test. I spent years in the food industry. Tons of testing done there too.

I have a hard time seeing them compete with what's there already by pentair, chemtrol, accutrol and CAT/Hayward. These controllers have in depth programming and safeties built in. Obviosly chlorine and ph are the ones that need to be monitored closely and constantly. It can literally take a person less than a minute to test for cl2, ph and total alkalinity. Po4 and CH are even less frequent tests.
Maybe for a homeowner that wants to do things on their own but even then at the cost of just a chemical only pool service I don't know that it's worth it. When you have high end health clubs or million dollar residential pools you need a technician regardless

 

[Parsec]

Aquarium hobby is not a big market.
Hopefully the IP will be picked up. I can see it’s use in Pool maintenance. Which is a way bigger market than aquariums.

So I just lost $1k, never got the product, I wander if I should file a small claims, this is crap and they better make us whole by selling the IP, as far as I'm concerned that IP is part mine until I get my money back.

 

[Bayareareefer18]

So I just lost $1k, never got the product, I wander if I should file a small claims, this is crap and they better make us whole by selling the IP, as far as I'm concerned that IP is part mine until I get my money back.

Man such a bummer

A similar issue happened with the non profit my wife was working for. The board of directors knew the company was going under, due to mismanagement of funds, however continued to take money from new clients. Company finally went belly up and all they said was "sorry"

I'd at least file a dispute with your CC company

 

[K7BMG]

dang.
I do feel for the people who purchased and recieved units, that are now curently rendered useless.

I would imagine that people who placed an paid for a unit, but did not get the product will be reimbursed. Or the peoe behind the. Mindstream will be in a leagle battle

 

[TARHEEL78]

dang.
I do feel for the people who purchased and recieved units, that are now curently rendered useless.

I would imagine that people who placed an paid for a unit, but did not get the product will be reimbursed. Or the peoe behind the. Mindstream will be in a leagle battle

Servers are still up and I'm still getting data. I doubt it will last for very long though.

 

[boostedbeast]

This was a very ambitious idea for a small company. They should've sold the patents to a larger, established company that could cover the production cost and volume.

 

[ppatches24]

Really poorly handled, Like you guys get all this funding over 7 years and the release it and THEN fail. It's frustrating waiting and watching for 7 years only to see it release and then die a few months later because of all multitude of issues.

 

[Shooter6]

Im going to assume this will be picked up and used, if for nothing else industrial use. Water chemistry testing is a lot bigger then most would think. From factories and water treatment facilities to public aquariums.

 

[Bleigh]

It’s nice to hear from him. Most companies fail. They are are sold all the time. Sometimes a big company buys them, then sales them to someone else. In 10 years, this will be a blip. We know the technology works. And tooling is expensive. It’s a huge up front cost. People purchased at that price. I planned on purchasing it, but didn’t have an opportunity. Had they stayed in business (while shipping out new orders) for a few more months, I would have and I’m sure others would have too. I’ll continue to follow the technology until someone has figured out how to produce it at scale.

 

[chicago]

I am shocked with 10 million invested that this could not get off the ground. would be interested just for wondering,... what the top level was paying themselves in salaries. 10 million.. invested and now this. makes no sense.

 

[Silver14SS]

Really poorly handled, Like you guys get all this funding over 7 years and the release it and THEN fail. It's frustrating waiting and watching for 7 years only to see it release and then die a few months later because of all multitude of issues.

Makes me think the release was a last ditch effort to save a sinking ship. It's hard to believe a release could go this poorly if a company prepared for it.

 

[reef_ranch]

Anyone interested in a slighty used Mindstream??

I'm extremely disappointed having lost (at least for now ) the money I paid, its hard not to feel bad for the team, they worked so hard and long only to have it fail so spectacularly right after initial release. I had the pleasure of meeting a few of the team at MACNAs over the years and they are clearly good people with a real passion to make this huge leap in the industry. I don't believe they acted out of ill will, but clearly got over their skis with the release.

But its also easy (easier, actually) to feel bad for those of us who bought these units. Bummer all around.

Seriously though, I have a very clean fully functioning Mindstream (well, until the disk expires (it has) or the cloud servers go down (not yet))!!!

Or do I keep it as a rare piece of reef keeping history?

 

[TARHEEL78]

Anyone interested in a slighty used Mindstream??

I'm extremely disappointed having lost (at least for now ) the money I paid, its hard not to feel bad for the team, they worked so hard and long only to have it fail so spectacularly right after initial release. I had the pleasure of meeting a few of the team at MACNAs over the years and they are clearly good people with a real passion to make this huge leap in the industry. I don't believe they acted out of ill will, but clearly got over their skis with the release.

But its also easy (easier, actually) to feel bad for those of us who bought these units. Bummer all around.

Seriously though, I have a very clean fully functioning Mindstream (well, until the disk expires (it has) or the cloud servers go down (not yet))!!!

Or do I keep it as a rare piece of reef keeping history?

Have you used all of your discs already? How old is your current disc and is it reading correctly? I get bad readings on some parameters with my old disc but others are spot on.

 

[NanoDJS]

Reminds me of

 

[reef_ranch]

Have you used all of your discs already? How old is your current disc and is it reading correctly? I get bad readings on some parameters with my old disc but others are spot on.

Alk has been reading low for the last 10 days or so. The other parameters seem to be correct.
The disk has been in use more than 30 days so that may explain the low alk reading.

 

[TARHEEL78]

Alk has been reading low for the last 10 days or so. The other parameters seem to be correct.
The disk has been in use more than 30 days so that may explain the low alk reading.

Yeah, that was the first thing to go on my older disc. Mag reads way higher than reality now too but cal is still somewhat close.