I personal think the API test kit is off by a decimal. Also I dont think that ammonia ever really gets to 0. Between feedings, fish poop, urination, etc there is no way. As long as there is no spike and like everything else stability is key.
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Just making a point on analytical devices. Since no one is calibrating their instrument, these ammonia values could be pure fantasy.Jason M I’m enjoying seeing how these two seneyes in two different reefs run pretty darn close numbers, a real calibration boon for this tester.
Ammonia slowly climbing?
This is a one shot chance to get seneye feedback im just itching to know if they can report any reef tanks with rock and sand, post cycle, that didn’t run in the thousandths ppm turnover rate his answer above seems to confirm normal as day, you have some ammonia, based on -your- tanks measure...www.reef2reef.com
The first SENEYE misread Ive seen.
The biology of the system called it, the pictures of the healthy fish and massive surface area. I began to falter in doubt midway, when my most reliable digital ref was reporting something that cannot occur.
That misread right there makes a very very very strong statement about how cycles cannot stall in reefing and no tester that says they do is right lol, even 1:1000 seneyes that may say it wont be right
That thread had me shocked and in doubt... now the resolve has increased regarding what cycles do and it was pretty firm resolve prior. Until then, I didnt know seneyes could misread and be barely misreading as opposed to something obvious.
The heart of this thread is still in effect: every reef tank with normal surface area controls ammonia naturally, without fail, barring obvious death/rotting fish in the system or unstated medication events that really would kill bacteria.
Couldn’t we spare the fish and use a doser to mimic the fish excretion of ammonia?Team
Im willing to pay someone with a seneye meter to conduct a very, very important experiment for reefing.
we have NO data on this gross need
we need to know if fish in cycling burns fish or not, if free ammonia reaches ld50 (as they act normal, every post, thread to thread note the pattern/magically immune to ammonia toxicity as is inability to control ammonia buildup is inconsequential)
someone take two sacrificial clowns that will again proceed to live on
add them to a ten gallon nano with wet sand and dry rock
dump in biospira, maybe some fritz
track with seneye lets see if it *ever* spikes out of the hundredths ppm. I think the tenths are considered lethal ld50 levels but we w need to see a citation for that, its roughly what I recall from years ago reading.
Ill paypal you the cost of the biospira first, lets go affordable. and two clowns. normal nemo clowns can someone for once not try your rarest maroon lightning double platinum veil tail
can you just get two clowns that comprise every nano reef since the start
source the tank, rocks and sand pls Im not moneybags. Ill buy the bottle bac and two fish; you do all the rest in the name of stuff every forum guesses about for 20 years but has never measured not once.
the outcome of test and prediction I'd consider to be the most important reef cycle finding of the current era. fish in cycling is BIG $
we are either getting tricked, or transporting aquatic bacteria in water while never applying antibacterial actions isn't all that surprising. without seneye, Id never believe posted results its the only valid umpire we have, along with whatever mindstream readers still function.
You will be using the most up to date ammonia meter we have in this hobby against the practice of fish-in cycling to see if they get 'burned' in this process.
I think your data is going to show the effectiveness of bottle bac; not the ineffectiveness. keep the new fish after and do something neat with them.
the nerd battle starts by us ending or upholding the notion of ammonia being stuck, ever, in any way. Can’t wait to see some final measures.
So far all these ideas and perspectives seem to be testable.One can also not discount extra ordinary circumstances such as extremely high temperatures killing off the bacteria either by a heater set wrong or another external source. Also using previously wet rock dried out that wasn't washed of organics before being placed in storage later leaching when rehydrate. I would also imagine that bugs can nest and die in dry rocks in transport or storage and when rehydrated provide a steady stream of ammonia all of which can "stall" a cycle. Not really stalled as we know, just being feed a constant unknown ammonia source.
To be clear I'm not disagreeing with you on the stalled cycle aspect just pointing out that there could be other factors at play.