What is wrong with my CBB's gill?!?

Biff0rz · Feb 18, 2022

rmorris_14 said:
Hey! how is the CBB doing today? :::crossing fingers and toes::::

Grossly the same. The 'thing' is still there. I was thinking of doing another fw dip to ensure it's not a parasite.

Tritium · Feb 23, 2022

Any further update?

rmorris_14 · Feb 23, 2022

Tritium said:
Any further update?

I literally just checked this page to see if I had missed an update as well. HAHAH would love to know how it;s going

Biff0rz · Feb 23, 2022

Tritium said:
Any further update?

rmorris_14 said:
I literally just checked this page to see if I had missed an update as well. HAHAH would love to know how it;s going

Thanks for caring everyone! He's exactly the same, sadly. I was hoping the dip would remove what would be a parasite but it's the same. Through further conversations (dms) it's likely this is a boil or tumor. Puncturing it with a hypodermic needle will likely kill the fish. So, I'm sort of stuck on what to do next. The fish is still behaving normally and eating with urgency. I'm leaving for the weekend so I don't want to do anything this week. When I come back I might do the clove dip to get a closer look, but, even if I do since is most likely nothing I can do... I'm not sure what good it will do other than tick the fish off.

Unitylover · Feb 23, 2022

Biff0rz said:
Thanks for caring everyone! He's exactly the same, sadly. I was hoping the dip would remove what would be a parasite but it's the same. Through further conversations (dms) it's likely this is a boil or tumor. Puncturing it with a hypodermic needle will likely kill the fish. So, I'm sort of stuck on what to do next. The fish is still behaving normally and eating with urgency. I'm leaving for the weekend so I don't want to do anything this week. When I come back I might do the clove dip to get a closer look, but, even if I do since is most likely nothing I can do... I'm not sure what good it will do other than tick the fish off.

Go to a fish vet, it will be pretty expensive tho.

Biff0rz · Feb 23, 2022

Unitylover said:
Go to a fish vet, it will be pretty expensive tho.

Can you recommend one near south east Michigan? Cost doesn't matter to me.

Unitylover · Feb 23, 2022

Biff0rz said:
Can you recommend one near south east Michigan? Cost doesn't matter to me.

Sorry, I can't, I don't live near at all.

fishguy242 · Feb 23, 2022

reach out to the SHEDD aquarium ???

Chrisv. · Feb 23, 2022

Not sure how close these guys are: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livingstondaily.com/amp/7722502002

Jay Hemdal · Feb 24, 2022

Biff0rz said:
Can you recommend one near south east Michigan? Cost doesn't matter to me.

There aren't any vets in SE Michigan that I know of. Most fish vets work primarily on koi or food fishes.

I know it isn't what you want to hear, but in many cases, there just isn't going to be a solution. Even in human medicine, that's often the case, and even more so with fish.

There is a tumor that goldfish get, caused by a virus. I've had vets do surgery on those. Technically, they can debulk the tumor, but it always comes back. We had a Talma butterflyfish that had a goiter that grew on a stalk and was hanging out of the fish's gills. Our vet removed it, but it grew back as well.

Jay

MnFish1 · Feb 24, 2022

Jay Hemdal said:
There aren't any vets in SE Michigan that I know of. Most fish vets work primarily on koi or food fishes.

I know it isn't what you want to hear, but in many cases, there just isn't going to be a solution. Even in human medicine, that's often the case, and even more so with fish.

There is a tumor that goldfish get, caused by a virus. I've had vets do surgery on those. Technically, they can debulk the tumor, but it always comes back. We had a Talma butterflyfish that had a goiter that grew on a stalk and was hanging out of the fish's gills. Our vet removed it, but it grew back as well.

Jay

I believe there are exotic Vets in Ann Arbor. Whether they will also do 'fish' IDK. You might try Michigan state.

Biff0rz · Mar 5, 2022

Ok.... Major update and it's NOT good. Up until tonight he's been acting normal, eating, swimming etc. Tonight I went to feed him. As he was eating I was watching him. I heard a loud POP and he was startled. Then I noticed what looked like white smoke coming from his gill! I went to take a look and the dang thing popped! I can actually see it coming out of his gill. I got some video, it's uploading now. He continued to eat but then stopped eating which is not normal. You'll see him breathing super hard in the video...it hasn't stopped and he's sort of just chilling near the sand. I also caught him laying on a rock, my guess is he's going to pass soon/tonight. This sucks. Even if I went to try and remove it he would have died.

Cc @Jay Hemdal

Biff0rz · Mar 5, 2022

This was literally right after it happened. I pulled my camera out and started to record. You can see the dust coming out of his gill. I then moved his feeder to get a better shot of the thing popped and you can see his fast breathing and it coming out of the gill. My daughter is crying her eyes out, so is the wife. this sucks.

vetteguy53081 · Mar 5, 2022

Biff0rz said:
Ok.... Major update and it's NOT good. Up until tonight he's been acting normal, eating, swimming etc. Tonight I went to feed him. As he was eating I was watching him. I heard a loud POP and he was startled. Then I noticed what looked like white smoke coming from his gill! I went to take a look and the dang thing popped! I can actually see it coming out of his gill. I got some video, it's uploading now. He continued to eat but then stopped eating which is not normal. You'll see him breathing super hard in the video...it hasn't stopped and he's sort of just chilling near the sand. I also caught him laying on a rock, my guess is he's going to pass soon/tonight. This sucks. Even if I went to try and remove it he would have died.

Cc @Jay Hemdal

Knew it !! Had to be isopod as suspected. As CBB fed, so did the critter.

Biff0rz · Mar 5, 2022

vetteguy53081 said:
Knew it !! Had to be isopod as suspected. As CBB fed, so did the critter.

How would this be an isopod? It's still there and 'shredded'. It also wouldn't come off in a dip. Can you explain a bit more than 'told you so'?

sc50964 · Mar 5, 2022

vetteguy53081 said:
Knew it !! Had to be isopod as suspected. As CBB fed, so did the critter.

So how can isopod be treated?

vetteguy53081 · Mar 5, 2022

Biff0rz said:
How would this be an isopod? It's still there and 'shredded'. It also wouldn't come off in a dip. Can you explain a bit more than 'told you so'?

Pod like Linoneca ovalis was always my suspicion.
Freshwater dip should have caused it to fall out or off . Not hearing for a while, assumed this was erradicated.

Biff0rz · Mar 5, 2022

vetteguy53081 said:
Pod like Linoneca ovalis was always my suspicion.
Freshwater dip should have caused it to fall out or off . Not hearing for a while, assumed this was erradicated.

Fw dip did nothing. Can you explain a bit more? You have left a lot of quick comments but nothing in depth as to why or how or anything that'll help me really. If you feel this is an isopod, what can I do RIGHT NOW to help my fish? Another dip? Physically try and remove the thing? Please....a bit more would be very useful and appreciated.

Biff0rz · Mar 5, 2022

Do isopods 'pop'??

Biff0rz · Mar 5, 2022

I did some night time video hunting. It was hard to get some good shots but you can really see how blood red it is now, and his skin that's shredded off. Odd thing tho, he's acting a bit normal and pod hunting, even caught that on video.

Thinking back to when it popped my trigger was right next to him and it looks like he bit at him. Vetteguy - do pods ever decide to just come off on their own? If so, maybe it came off and the trigger ate it?!