@MnFish1
Yeah kind of like everything else in this hobby some people successfully keep acropora with a dkh of 10+ others around 7.5-8.
The problem is(was) - is that its possible that you didnt need to treat at a higher dose (i.e. if you had continued at 1.75 for another week it might have been fine).
IMO In a way - it is. Because we have treatment methods to control and manage them and the immune system will be active but need to be activated now and when - we have not that for the human diseases you mentioned. However - google sickle cell anaemia and malaria, or cowpox and smallpox. Malaria was very common in Sweden before but are since 1930 considered extinct as a native disease. But we have still the same mosquitos. and we can still get it in our nature again through people getting malaria in othe part of the world. We are of the traveling sort. But because that malaria has disapaer - we have mist the genes for sickle cells anaemia - we will have no imune people still left here. Further - with vaccination of (strengthen the immune system) it possible to extinct a disease among humans as we have done with small-pots. But now we had stopped the vaccination program among civilians all around the world and what will happen if the supposed military reserves of the virus will be used (of some reason – some troops still get the vaccine). From the beginning smallpox hit the youngsters because the ones that survive was immune (at least for 30 years) Now – if it will hit us again – all will be very sick and probably die. To do the same vaccination program among all fish of the world (against any of the diseases you mentioned) is impossible. Therefore, you always have the risk to get the parasite into your aquarium in one or another way. A small population will help you to have your fish immune system up and working.
From an evolutionary standpoint - you're right (thalassemia and malaria as well btw) - and the carrier state of many recessive genes is thought to have an evolutionary advantage. In a tank, though IF you can eradicate all of the parasites (key word is IF) - and you can be certain you aren't going to accidentally introduce them again - there is nothing 'wrong' with that.
except without that one woman scientist that had seizures.....This thread reads like
The Andromeda Strain
I agree, on all accounts LOL! :)
I see two issues with this. First is that stress can rapidly break down a fishes immune system. It can also recover quickly, but since some fish do better adjust to captivity than others, something should be done to aid it imo. The 2nd issue is that tank raised fish are becoming more common. Having never been exposed to these parasites in the sea, we need some way to get them to adjust to a more natural, pathogen filled environment.
Don't feel bad. At least I didn't think you came across that negatively. This is a very controversial topic. I have a great appreciation for the work that is being done to further our knowledge of treating fish. There will likely always be a need to know how to treat fish using medications.
I agree with this, when it comes to Ich and Velvet anyway. The actual exposure to copper to kill the freshly hatched parasite is measured in seconds, not hours. Certainly not weeks. If the concentration is high enough, 10 days is more than enough and 14 days provides a 35% margin. Most of the variables in timing of the lifecycle have no impact while on the fish.
Agree. Definitely nothing wrong with whatever method works for an individual. I am hard-headed and set in my ways, I don't have anything wrong with others who do the opposite! To each is their own!
You've been more than hospitable following along and helping me out, we've all said things we regret and I'm sure there's going to be room for forgiveness from anybody that took offense :)See, this is why I don’t do long posts or get riled up. ;Sorry
Now i fell horrible. I am shunned by the reefsquad and i have insulted a good portion of some most knowledgeable and giving people. I myself in my short time have turned to you guys in times I doubted myself or if someone else could use the help.
Especially @ngoodermuth and @Frtdrmrose7 . If there is an emergency you guys are always there. When I read, and re-read your posts to learn there is always a tone of let’s help and see what we can do. You guided @Mjrenz thru 50 years of fish keeping in one thread, and did it successfully, and something to be celebrated.
I agree with this, but (and I’ll keep it short:)). Why must there be a “cure”? If there is a parasite in the tank, (except velvet and brook) it is in the tank.People call it management. I think a better term is a balancing the ecosystem we have. Replicate nature. We can’t manage ich expect QT, we can manage the fish by providing them the same tools as what they would get in the wild.
To sum up, this is getting into the long area I stay away from. So sorry to all, I do not like being controversial. The whole point I was going for was spurred on not by any illness thread but someone in the new section being schooled on QT.
Ps. Please don’t take away my hospitality badge
