A lot of known people dont QUARANTINE!!!

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I think a healthy fish with a healthy immune system can fight off any disease or parasite that is in a tank. I think quarantining fish puts more stress on the fish and stress leads to a weakened immune system. Think about the journey they have already had before you bought them. They were taken out of their natural habitat, shipped sometimes 1000s of miles by truck or plane in too crowded and cramped containers. Sometimes kept in multiple locations before they end up in a small display tank at the LFS you bought them from. And after all that, we should bring them home, put them in yet another tank that is too small for them, and sterile, medicate them and bother them daily for weeks and then finally put them in their forever home? A tank that for 99% of fish owners is still too small for an animal that used to have the whole ocean to play in. I know if I went through all that, I would be pretty sickly too. A fish's best chance IMO is to be put straight into your DT that hopefully has a stable environment and left alone.


What about tank raised or bred fish how can they have a healthy immune system when they have never been introduced to any diseases? Now you throw them in with fish from the ocean? How about fish from different parts of the world thrown together? The whole reason you do not put fish from the aquarium back in the ocean. You could introduce a pathogen from a part of the world these fish have never seen and had no resistance too.
We are going more towards tank bred and raised fish that are raised in a sterile environment. Tell me how a tank raised fish can have immunity to something it never has been exposed too?

Let me tell you introduce Uronema into a reef you will regret it.
 
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Oh the drama.....this has been like reading a suspense novel! If you disagree with an opinion on this topic please try to be respectful.... throwing zingers at someone because you disagree with an opinion is weak! You can be firm in your resolve and still be kind in your approach.

I think you can look at Jay H’s take as well as Paul B’s and realize there are different ways to be successful. Please also take note in the way that they treat each other regardless of different philosophies; with obvious respect because of their dedication to the hobby, the results they’ve achieved and what they have been able to give back to the forum.

Jay H and Paul B.....thank you both for your willingness to share! Your knowledge level and results are impressive and have given us Reefers direction regardless of which path we take when it comes to this topic! Please keep doing what you do best and try to ignore the keyboard warriors out there.
 

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I disagree. It means that your method doesnt work. You have not had every inhabitant of your tank for 50 years.
@Paul B. Your entire method is based on the fact that your tank is 'immune'. So - IF your tank got wiped out by ich or velvet, etc and it crashed (your quote paraphrased) - of course that would mean that your method doesn't work, by definition.
 

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What about tank raised or bred fish how can they have a healthy immune system when they have never been introduced to any diseases? Now you throw them in with fish from the ocean? How about fish from different parts of the world thrown together? The whole reason you do not put fish from the aquarium back in the ocean. You could introduce a pathogen from a part of the world these fish have never seen and had no resistance too.
We are going more towards tank bred and raised fish that are raised in a sterile environment. Tell me how a tank raised fish can have immunity to something it never has been exposed too?

Let me tell you introduce Uronema into a reef you will regret it.
@Paul B has often said (I believe) that these fish will do poorly if put into a tank with CI
 
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Tell me how a tank raised fish can have immunity to something it never has been exposed too?

Let me tell you introduce Uronema into a reef you will regret it.
I don't know. But for now out of the fifty million fish we buy in the trade like three of them are tank raised. Ok, maybe a few more but not angelfish, tangs, copperband butterflies (yes, I know someone just hatched some but they are not generally for sale)
There are some clownfish, Bangai cardinals and a few more for sale, but certainly not to many.

For a tank raised fish, if I were to raise those fish, I would use NSW and raise them with naturally, infected fish so they can grow up as healthy, normal fish with immunity. If not, they would have to be quarantined in a sterile tank with no parasites forever.
Baby fish get their immunity from their Mothers and it lasts a little while until that fish starts eating what it is supposed to eat with it's full compliment of bacteria, parasites and yes, uronoma.

Uronema. LOL. I have been getting quotes like this for decades. Put in velvet, uronoma, ich, etc. Do you really believe in 50 years I have not put in every disease imaginable? Like really!

I added I think 3 fish last week and probably 5 or 6 this year and maybe 500 since 1971.
The only reason I have any SPS coral is because I was told many times when corals started to be kept that my tank is to dirty for SPS. I don't even like SPS but I have them all over the place.

The only reason I have a Hippo tang is because people tell me I can't keep tangs in an immune tank. And yet, they live over ten years there.

I have had every kind of tang, I don't like them and find them boring and the most common fish on reefs by far.
On this forum someone wants to give me a school of chromis to see if my fish get uronoma. They won't, and I don't want them.

I am tired of putting things I don't like in my reef to prove a point. At 50 years old I am calling my tank, my fish and my methods a success. I will discuss this with everyone on here with an old, healthy tank.

From what I can see, there aren't to many of them.

Please keep doing what you do best and try to ignore the keyboard warriors out there.
Pscha4, this has been going on since they invented computers. It started with my undergravel filter which can't possibly work. My dolomite gravel which everybody knows is a nitrate factory. My NSW from New York which is to full of organics. My DIY cement rocks that will alter my pH killing everything. My habit of throwing everything into my tank that I collect in the sea with no fan fare.

Dozens of people with very new tanks all like to argue with me about something. Usually something they have problems with in their tanks which I don't.

I do give a lot of advice but almost never on the disease forum because I think a disease forum is silly as fish should not get sick. No, not even uronoma.

I also stay away from all threads where I know my answers will cause arguments. Now that I am older and have other concerns not related to fish, I just ignore those posters. :cool:
 

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Of course I respectfully disagree. The mere existence of a disease forum dictates that that can't be the result of the "Top Best Science" anything. The Top best science should keep us off the disease forum.

I can see fish getting tumors, pop eye, swim bladder issues or neurological issues, but never communicable things as a healthy immune system would exclude that.

Maybe there should be a "Health" forum where healthy fish and tanks are. Where people can learn ways to keep fish healthy without resorting to un natural, complicated methods. Where the fish never get sick and just live out their life without any mention of disease or discomfort. Where the fish die of old age and maybe spawn along the way.

The foods that successful non disease tanks eat along with the methods used such as aquascaping form health and maybe non chemical water conditioners such as algae scrubbers, skimmers etc.


I have no Idea what this post means?
Very first post in this thread, he said you tubers don’t quarantine, listed off a few, I’m correcting him. That’s all.
 
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