ATI Essentials dosing recommendations

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  1. GoVols

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    Can you keep your thread going a report back to us with your findings and incite?

    Rakie's corals are really awesome but he also knows it's also about nutrients / water changes and lighting too.
     
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    I'll report whatever is worth reporting. Didn't get around to actually getting the dosing online last night. My RO water was absurdly cold, so the powder wasn't wanting to mix. I put it in a warm bath, and it all dissolved just in time for bed.
     
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    Over the weekend I made the transition to ATI essentials. 45 gallon+sump I was using B-ionic 2 part at 20ml per day.
    I really was concerned about switching over. Started my daily dose at 40ml... Set my doser to dose every hour on a 24 hour cycle. After 2 hours I checked my Alk parameter the value did not change from the original reading prior to the ATI transition. I waited another 4 hours and tested again, still parameters were unchanged (ALK). Waited another 8 hours and checked the same. Then 16 hours and checked... Basically doubling the hours for each next check since the values were where I wanted them. I started early Saturday, on Monday I checked Alk,Calc, and Mag all in my target ranges. I have made slight adjustments of 1 ml I am at 42.00 ml (1,2&3) and all parameters are in check. From reading posts I must have lucked out...
    I really expected troubles however it went fairly smooth for me. (I used the 10 liter kit, mixed all in separate 5gal buckets and have 1/2 gallon glass milk jugs for dosing)

    Prior to switching over I bought all new hoses for my doser, made sure my doser was calibrated, etc... I even put a small mark on each one of the containers so that I could see if dosing was unequal... four days all is well!

    My thought was to focus on ALK & check often, if I seen a slight movement in one direction or the other I could alter the dose settings slightly as my tests indicated. I did not want to wait a day before finding out ALK was really high or really low. Not sure how folks are approaching their switch however this approach worked for me.(yes I lost a bit of sleep however I believe I would have lost more sleep the next day had I woke to dead coral before checking anything)

    One other thing, parts 2 and 3 did raise up my calcium and magnesium slightly higher than what they were kept originally however not that much still in my target range.
    For simplicity... I am going to try to keep all doses equal unless I see values creeping one way or the other.

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    I usually check my Alkalinity each day, if things are fine I may let it slip a day.
    Right now I am checking ALK each day I get home ;)
    I check other parameters once a week (most of the time)

    After a month or so I am going to send my water in for a test.
     
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    Alright, we're online, pumps calibrated, programs updated, parameters checked. Hold on to your butts. 20171219_200439.jpg
     
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    Already running into an issue. Took a peek at things this morning before work. The lines for pump 2 are pulling air somehow, which has resulted in a noticeable difference in how much solution has been dosed. Didn't have time to fix it, so I'll be zip-tieing all the connections when I get home.
     
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    I ran into exactly this issue when I first set this up. I ran Kalk previously so never had a dosing pump, airline check valves on the output side of the doser heads worked for me.
     
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    It's been an ongoing issue with my setup. I've actually got a check valve on that line. Zip ties fixed it before. I think the barb fitting on my reservoir isn't as big as it should be, so it doesn't get a real tight fit.
     
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    I see I replaced the barb fitting off my pump head with the check valves and used the barb to build my dosing containers so everything is snug with silicone line.

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    Question for you guys my ATI should be here tomorrow how do you guys breakup the dosing during the day so that 1,2 and 3 don’t get mixed together in the sump ?
     
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    My doser automatically staggers them a bit.
     
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    I set mine to run #1 every hour, #2 every 30min after #1 and #3 every 15 between. They all drip into my bubble trap section before the return pump so there is constant movement.
     
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    Thank you reefers for the reply’s
     
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    Here's a moderately interesting thing to report. Check my pH graph. It's noticeably less spiky since changing over from the BRS stuff. I guess with the more dilute solution, it takes twice as long to deliver the same amount of alk, so the pH increase is a lot more gradual and doesn't cause a localized spike near my pH probe.

    Alk is stable so far.

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    I staggered the dose times 15 minutes apart

    Ie... 1-1:15, 2-1:30, 3-1:45
     
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    If adding zip ties were your only issue I say it sounds like your transition was a success.
     
  16. Randy Holmes-Farley

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    Did you post the previous graph somewhere? I'm curious how the daily maximum high and low pH values also responded. :)

    An alternative (or additional) explanation for smaller spikes is that ATI uses a lower pH version of a two part, which is also a reason one would have it be less potent (sodium bicarbonate is less soluble than sodium carbonate) and require dosing more (like ESV B-ionic Original vs ESV B-ionic Bicarbonate, or my Recipe #1 vs Recipe #2).
     
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    Check December 19th around the top of the pH curve on. That's when I switched over.
     
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    Thanks. I think I'll ask them if the product is primarily bicarbonate (no pH boost)or carbonate (with pH boost) or a mix. :)
     
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    Cool, I'm subscribed. So far the pH curve is looking pretty consistent with what I had before, just smoother.
     
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