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But one thing to consider is you can't exactly feed them live foods such as clams unless you... kill the clam? Idk but I like this method and when I love I might consider TTM myself. Appreciate the post!but also fed Paul B style
But one thing to consider is you can't exactly feed them live foods such as clams unless you... kill the clam? Idk but I like this method and when I love I might consider TTM myself. Appreciate the post!
I always throw in the first few alive. It was a dumb question because I end up freezing the rest the day after I get them.You put the clams in the freezer. It will kill parasites, but probably not bacteria or viruses. I mean how else do you keep them from going bad and stinking your fridge up unless you buy just a few at a time. They are fresh frozen and not the same as the clam on the half shell you can buy.
Paul freezes them.. it's how I read about it. One of his posts about freezing and shaving it into paper slices.
Nor mine, but I'm celebrating diversity as that is kind of a theme in live rock reef ecosystems, no?Those are not exactly my kind of Supermodel.
You don't need much to quarentine depending on fish size ECT....I only have a 10 gallon.. filter, heater...PCV for fish to hide in...small light...didn't quarentine for 20 years and had one incident of Black Velvet and swore I would only quarentine moving forward...I know there are tons of opinions on quarantining and not quarantining saltwater fish, but i wonder if it is really necessary to quarantine. I would rather not, because im on a tight budget, but if its absolutely necessary, i'll go for it. Thanks for your help
Paul also doesn't keep 10 tangs plus including Achilles or Powder Blues.What I can be sure of is that all of the people telling you how bad ich is, don't have a tank as old as @Paul B
No. It's ich free because I've eliminated ich from the fish doing TTM. All of my fish went through TTM. All of my inverts and corals went through qurantine. I will never have to worry about ich appearing one day cause I was responsible and thorough enough to not let it enter my display. 11 Tangs with plenty of fights and chasing and stress... yet never seen ich.Maybe it appears to be ich free because the occurrence of ich is so low as to be undetachable.
The problem (for sake of discussion-Please ) is that just because a deadly outbreak of any pathogen (ich or other) isn't happening does not mean that the disease causing agent is not present in the water. Assuming that TTM worked because you don't see ich (in full bloom) is an assumption.
The discussion by Paul assumes that the ich is present in all tanks but only shows up during times of stress. A carefully managed tank may never have enough 'stress' to cause the fishes immune systems to weaken so that the infection can get bad enough to be seen, or become a cause of death or sublethal concern.
I wore a mask all last year and had zero colds. I was not in QT, I was in a well managed system.
I got a vaccination last week and got crazy ill. The cure gave me the disease that I have already had before. I recognized the symptoms, it made me extra grouchy and argumentative. should I delete this post?
(I really like this thread. I hope my stupid comment doesn't ruin your day. ) HA!
Actually Paul used to keep all sorts of tangs for decades but he got bored of them from all the SCUBA diving he did when he realized they are the most common fish on the reef and not very interesting.Paul also doesn't keep 10 tangs plus including Achilles or Powder Blues.
What does 'QT' mean. Observation and treat if necessary? Prophylactic treatment with x, or x, y, and z? Etc. Most people (if you believe the polls here - multiple) do not quarantine at all). Before discussing 'QT' - to me its important to define 'what QT is'.but still continue qt and fallow while adding live rocks until better means have been funded and shown by someone else is my recommend
I think a common misconception (to me anyway) is 'live rock' and 'dead rock'. Within months 'dry rock' becomes 'live rock'. Rock is rock. every niche in that rock will be filled with something. IMHO the problem with dry rock is taking a 100 gallon tank, adding 4 frags and a huge surface area of 'dead space'. Then people wonder why they have Dinos or algae. There are very few people who don't have to clean their glass at some point'. Why would algae, etc not grow on bare rock. The old way to do it is to take 'base rock' which was basically dead, and then cover it all with either corals or pieces of expensive 'live rock'. From a disease perspective, I do not see how 'live rock' prevents disease. There are plenty of tanks out there with no corals and only 'fish' that do fine.start incorporating the live rock and feed component, skipping the feed component is like paying for a personal trainer and then not altering one's diet...a human needs the diet component to be healthy and so do fish, makes send
but still continue qt and fallow while adding live rocks until better means have been funded and shown by someone else is my recommend
If you have inverts, LR, Live sand and nothing else, I would not keep them for 90 days. I would do whatever you want to do (TTM, etc) - and put them in the tank. Why wait 90 days?Since all the big names are in here... If I have just Inverts, LR, Live Sand, and nothing else... for 90 days...and I QT my incoming fish using the TTM...I should have a near (or actual) zero chance of getting ich in there?
I'm curious - what would you do about velvet? or Brook or uronema.No. It's ich free because I've eliminated ich from the fish doing TTM. All of my fish went through TTM. All of my inverts and corals went through qurantine. I will never have to worry about ich appearing one day cause I was responsible and thorough enough to not let it enter my display. 11 Tangs with plenty of fights and chasing and stress... yet never seen ich.
Sorry, I meant my tank is running with just the inverts, since I'm not able to put fish in there. They'll be there a total of 90 days without a fish. Was just wanting to verify that if THEY came with ich on them, it should die out by the time my fish are in the DT after QT.If you have inverts, LR, Live sand and nothing else, I would not keep them for 90 days. I would do whatever you want to do (TTM, etc) - and put them in the tank. Why wait 90 days?
Yup! QT simply means a period/place of isolationWhat does 'QT' mean. Observation and treat if necessary? Prophylactic treatment with x, or x, y, and z? Etc. Most people (if you believe the polls here - multiple) do not quarantine at all). Before discussing 'QT' - to me its important to define 'what QT is'.
The Fish Disease forum has a lot of posts IMHO, not because disease is rampant in the supply chain, etc etc - but because lots of people have reef tanks and they post if they have a problem.
I would say 'yes'Sorry, I meant my tank is running with just the inverts, since I'm not able to put fish in there. They'll be there a total of 90 days without a fish. Was just wanting to verify that if THEY came with ich on them, it should die out by the time my fish are in the DT after QT.