QT in the UK

[Yamaha1634]

Recently set up a 50g as a replacement for my Fluval Evo 13.5. will be moving my fish, rock, coral etc over soon and then using my Evo as a QT tank for the new fish i plan to buy.

I've been reading all night about QT protocol (as i didn't really bother with my first 2 fish) and I'm becoming very confused!

Also as I live in the UK most of the treatments mentioned aren't readily available! Because of this I've had to come up with my own sort of hybrid QT based on the many variants I've read about and the medications I can source....

Can someone tell me if this below plan looks like a decent and robust approach?

1. Acclimate the fish, add them to the QT, bare bottom, PVC pipe for hiding, seeded media from DT but no rock.

2. Observe the fish for 48 hours, feed lightly.

3. Use Seachem Cupramine as per instructions. Dose 1ml per 40l, wait 48 hours, dose 1ml per 40l leaving the resultant dose as 0.5mg/l. Maintain this level for 14 days.

4. Large water changes over a few days to remove cupramine.

5. Dose API General Cure one full sachet per 38l of water. Dose again after 48 hours. Wait a further 48 hours then complete 25% water change and add activated carbon.

6. Observe fish for a further 7 days

Total time in QT (all being well): 31 days....

 

[fishguy242]

#fishmedic

 

[lapin]

Also read about the 36 hour TTM. Depending on what sort of things they might come in with this might be all you need. I find this with a dose of Prazi Pro day 7 and day 13 works for me.
Works for the 2 common things, velvet and ich. The prazi works for worms and flukes.

 

[gbroadbridge]

Recently set up a 50g as a replacement for my Fluval Evo 13.5. will be moving my fish, rock, coral etc over soon and then using my Evo as a QT tank for the new fish i plan to buy.

I've been reading all night about QT protocol (as i didn't really bother with my first 2 fish) and I'm becoming very confused!

Also as I live in the UK most of the treatments mentioned aren't readily available! Because of this I've had to come up with my own sort of hybrid QT based on the many variants I've read about and the medications I can source....

Can someone tell me if this below plan looks like a decent and robust approach?

1. Acclimate the fish, add them to the QT, bare bottom, PVC pipe for hiding, seeded media from DT but no rock.

2. Observe the fish for 48 hours, feed lightly.

3. Use Seachem Cupramine as per instructions. Dose 1ml per 40l, wait 48 hours, dose 1ml per 40l leaving the resultant dose as 0.5mg/l. Maintain this level for 14 days.

4. Large water changes over a few days to remove cupramine.

5. Dose API General Cure one full sachet per 38l of water. Dose again after 48 hours. Wait a further 48 hours then complete 25% water change and add activated carbon.

6. Observe fish for a further 7 days

Total time in QT (all being well): 31 days....

We have the same situation with medications in Australia.

I normally just use the QT for observation, and do not medicate unless something shows up.

No need to stress the fish unnecessarily with meds especially not copper based.

 

[Yamaha1634]

Also read about the 36 hour TTM. Depending on what sort of things they might come in with this might be all you need. I find this with a dose of Prazi Pro day 7 and day 13 works for me.
Works for the 2 common things, velvet and ich. The prazi works for worms and flukes.

Prazi is one of the things I can't get.... I bought some general cure from the USA a few months back for a fish which unfortunately died before it arrived. So I was thinking of using this as i have it in my cupboard already!

Can you send me some info on the TTM? Haven't read about that yet.

 

[Yamaha1634]

We have the same situation with medications in Australia.

I normally just use the QT for observation, and do not medicate unless something shows up.

No need to stress the fish unnecessarily with meds especially not copper based.

I thought of this also. Just wanted to be sure I was doing the best i could.

I suppose i could observe and then treat if needed. I can get cupramine off the shelf in the UK but can't get prazi or metro which always seems to be part of the QT procedure... But if i have general cure and can get cupramine quickly enough then i should be ok for whatever may show up...

 

[lapin]

Tank Transfer Method (all versions)

The table and video below are meant to show/explain the differences between the 3 different versions of Tank Transfer Method. If you are completely unfamiliar with TTM, please read more detailed information found in the links below: Standard TTM Velvet TTM Hybrid TTM How to perform a H2O2...

humble.fish

General cure should be about the same thing for flukes

 

[Dave1993]

i live in the uk also i don't QT i buy all my fish from cellarmarinestore

 

[Yamaha1634]

i live in the uk also i don't QT i buy all my fish from cellarmarinestore

Good to know. I've always bought my fish from Berscough Aquatics near Liverpool and haven't had any disasters yet but I'm always looking for somewhere better. Do you order online or go in store?

 

[lapin]

Hint:
When buying fish from your LFS; find out what day the fish come in. Have them order your fish. Be there when they arrive so you get them before they go into their tanks.

 

[Dave1993]

order online

 

[lapin]

Hint:
When buying fish from your LFS; find out what day the fish come in. Have them order your fish. Be there when they arrive so you get them before they go into their tanks.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I know you are very limited to meds and copper seems to be the most you can get. With your steps mentioned, because its quarantine, you can run copper at low level and monitor ammonia in QT
Observe fish for dots, scratching, etc
Should you see any, you will have to then increase copper to therapeutic level 2.25-2.5 for 30 days. You must monitor levels with a reliable test kit for accuracy (No API brand).

 

[gbroadbridge]

I thought of this also. Just wanted to be sure I was doing the best i could.

I suppose i could observe and then treat if needed. I can get cupramine off the shelf in the UK but can't get prazi or metro which always seems to be part of the QT procedure... But if i have general cure and can get cupramine quickly enough then i should be ok for whatever may show up...

We can't get Cupramine or Priazi from an LFS. Well, Amazon gets usually gets through

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Recently set up a 50g as a replacement for my Fluval Evo 13.5. will be moving my fish, rock, coral etc over soon and then using my Evo as a QT tank for the new fish i plan to buy.

I've been reading all night about QT protocol (as i didn't really bother with my first 2 fish) and I'm becoming very confused!

Also as I live in the UK most of the treatments mentioned aren't readily available! Because of this I've had to come up with my own sort of hybrid QT based on the many variants I've read about and the medications I can source....

Can someone tell me if this below plan looks like a decent and robust approach?

1. Acclimate the fish, add them to the QT, bare bottom, PVC pipe for hiding, seeded media from DT but no rock.

2. Observe the fish for 48 hours, feed lightly.

3. Use Seachem Cupramine as per instructions. Dose 1ml per 40l, wait 48 hours, dose 1ml per 40l leaving the resultant dose as 0.5mg/l. Maintain this level for 14 days.

4. Large water changes over a few days to remove cupramine.

5. Dose API General Cure one full sachet per 38l of water. Dose again after 48 hours. Wait a further 48 hours then complete 25% water change and add activated carbon.

6. Observe fish for a further 7 days

Total time in QT (all being well): 31 days....

That's similar in intent to our current quarantine protocol, just sped up. You need to ask yourself if the shorter quarantine time is that important? No protocol is 100% effective, but cutting down on the time makes it less effective.
Here is a link to the process that I use:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

One thing I would change in your process - dosing API General Cure twice in 48 hours is too close together if the fish have egg laying flukes (the GC doesn't kill the eggs, and they can hatch out and reinfect the fish). It is better to dose once, then after 48 hours, do a 25% water change, and then do a second dose 7 days after that.

Jay

 

[Yamaha1634]

That's similar in intent to our current quarantine protocol, just sped up. You need to ask yourself if the shorter quarantine time is that important? No protocol is 100% effective, but cutting down on the time makes it less effective.
Here is a link to the process that I use:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

www.reef2reef.com

One thing I would change in your process - dosing API General Cure twice in 48 hours is too close together if the fish have egg laying flukes (the GC doesn't kill the eggs, and they can hatch out and reinfect the fish). It is better to dose once, then after 48 hours, do a 25% water change, and then do a second dose 7 days after that.

Jay

This is more what I was asking to be honest. Because I'm slightly changing the meds i wasn't sure of the timing. Those times I've stayed in the first post were taken from the directions of the cupramine and the general cure.

I'm in no rush and have no need to speed the QT up, but wasn't sure if i should stick to the longer times or stick to what the manufacturer of each product recommends....

 

[DE FISH]

Fluke solve is pretty much prazi and easily obtainable in the uk for flukes

 

[KyleC]

UK here too so thanks for the post! I know this is an old post but thought best to comment here, keep it all in one place for the next person.

Working out my QT protocol at present too (ich in DT).

Was wondering if anyone can add to this to include QT for coral frags? Separate to the fish of course, planned on doing them in QT tank before I begin coppersafe treatment.

 

[fishguy242]

UK here too so thanks for the post! I know this is an old post but thought best to comment here, keep it all in one place for the next person.

Working out my QT protocol at present too (ich in DT).

Was wondering if anyone can add to this to include QT for coral frags? Separate to the fish of course, planned on doing them in QT tank before I begin coppersafe treatment.

#fishmedic

 

[nereefpat]

Working out my QT protocol at present too (ich in DT).

Was wondering if anyone can add to this to include QT for coral frags? Separate to the fish of course, planned on doing them in QT tank before I begin coppersafe treatment.

I don't really like the original plan, personally. I would use Copper Power or Coppersafe over ionic copper (Cupramine). Copper for 14 days, then removing copper while keeping the fish in the same tank is a bad idea, in my opinion of course.

For ich in display tank, all fish need removed and treated while the display remains fishless. Inverts, including corals stay in the display.

For adding new coral frags, if you want to QT them, I would suggest to just to have a fishless coral holding tank. Leave them in there for a few weeks.