QT - Why it sometimes fails?

[Lostreefin]

Check this out for more info on uronema and all things QT:
https://humble.fish/uronema/

 

[MnFish1]

Check this out for more info on uronema and all things QT:
https://humble.fish/uronema/

There are other references that say metronidazole doesn't work (as are those that say it does). I would say its a rare infection...

 

[rkpetersen]

Check this out for more info on uronema and all things QT:
https://humble.fish/uronema/

There's a .fish domain? Huh.

 

[HotRocks]

Metronidazole is not usual for uronema - based on what I've seen - but #reefsquad can probably answer... My take - they recovered from the uronema - with the other treatments. BUT I seriously DK

Metronidazole is a very effective choice for treating Uronema. Especially if you get pharmaceutical grade. Seachem Metro is pretty diluted.

 

[Lasse]

This article mention metronidazole too

Sincerely Lasse

 

[reelredfisah]

Just started my first batch of fish in QT on CP. They ate well before I put in meds I felt that they should get one good feeding before starting.

Plan is to transfer them to 2nd QT at 14 days and then treat for internal.

 

[Forsaken77]

Never QT'd before but when I upgraded to a larger tank I felt I was more invested and should be more cautious. I started a poor QT on a newly purchased Foxface.

The first 4 days he didn't eat a thing so I didn't treat with any meds - just observation. Once he started eating I continued the observation without treatment for about 3 weeks. I was having ammonia issues because I didn't have any biological filter. Doing water changes almost daily was getting old. He was doing well so I did a quick fresh water dip to convince myself I was good and in he went. Two weeks later 2 fish were dead from velvet.

The remaining four fish are now in a QT being treated with copper. Since I've never QT'd any of my fish before I'm going to treat and observe as if I'm treating for ich. I'll always QT in the future.

That's kind of odd that the Foxface wasn't affected by the Velvet. Or perhaps he was because he wasn't eating. But Velvet usually kills in a few days.

Did you feed him algae in QT? Just curious, because they will eat anything even though they're classified as a herbivore.

 

[Forsaken77]

Metronidazole is a very effective choice for treating Uronema. Especially if you get pharmaceutical grade. Seachem Metro is pretty diluted.

Isn't Kanaplex a bit stronger for strictly fish treatment? I thought Metro was basically the coral-safe version of Kanaplex.

 

[MnFish1]

Metronidazole is a very effective choice for treating Uronema. Especially if you get pharmaceutical grade. Seachem Metro is pretty diluted.

can u give references? I can't find them - expcept for here - (which may be correct)

 

[MnFish1]

This article mention metronidazole too

Sincerely Lasse

Injetions of metronidazole...

 

[MnFish1]

Isn't Kanaplex a bit stronger for strictly fish treatment? I thought Metro was basically the coral-safe version of Kanaplex.

Kanaplex is kanamycin its hard too tell whether it also contains metridnidzole - but - metroplex contains metrainadaozole - not kanamycin.......totally different medications.

 

[nkyreef]

That's kind of odd that the Foxface wasn't affected by the Velvet. Or perhaps he was because he wasn't eating. But Velvet usually kills in a few days.

Did you feed him algae in QT? Just curious, because they will eat anything even though they're classified as a herbivore.

I'm surprised as well. I can only assume he was patient zero. The only other thing I added was a couple of frags. He stayed out of the light and had the dusted look of velvet. However, my Kole Tang looked awful. Her and a yellow clown goby died 3 days after showing systoms.

It took a few days for him to eat nori in QT. Would only eat it if I rubber banded it to a rock wouldn't touch it in a clip.

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[HotRocks]

can u give references? I can't find them - expcept for here - (which may be correct)

I have never needed to leave this forum in regards to that. I always went by advice provided by Humblefish. I have treated several fish with Uronema. I do use pharmaceutical grade metro for what it's worth.

 

[HotRocks]

Kanaplex is kanamycin its hard too tell whether it also contains metridnidzole - but - metroplex contains metrainadaozole - not kanamycin.......totally different medications.

Correct.

Metroplex = metronidazole
Kanaplex = kanamycin
And whatever other undisclosed fillers they use to "cut" the meds.

 

[MnFish1]

I have never needed to leave this forum in regards to that. I always went by advice provided by Humblefish. I have treated several fish with Uronema. I do use pharmaceutical grade metro for what it's worth.

He should have references. Or? Far be it from me to criticize @Humblefish. I have looked it up - and the evidence that I have seen is 'scant'.

 

[HotRocks]

He should have references. Or? Far be it from me to criticize @Humblefish. I have looked it up - and the evidence that I have seen is 'scant'.

Sure, I think he does somewhere. I will look in the am.

I can tell you though it does work IME.

I know that's not enough for you :)

 

[Forsaken77]

I'm surprised as well. I can only assume he was patient zero. The only other thing I added was a couple of frags. He stayed out of the light and had the dusted look of velvet. However, my Kole Tang looked awful. Her and a yellow clown goby died 3 days after showing systoms.

It took a few days for him to eat nori in QT. Would only eat it if I rubber banded it to a rock wouldn't touch it in a clip.

Sent from my SM-T800 using REEF2REEF mobile app

Just a quick tip with Foxface's, if you ever get another.... If you tear up the nori like flakes, they eat it and it prevents them tearing it apart and floating all over the tank. The sick one you had isn't really how they are with nori.

Mine guys (2) took a few days to warm up to the clip as well, but it made such a mess. It was much cleaner having them eat little strips off the surface.

 

[MnFish1]

Sure, I think he does somewhere. I will look in the am.

I can tell you though it does work IME.

I know that's not enough for you :)

OH come on - dont create a false argument. You're right just saying 'humblefish' said it - is not enough - nor should it be for anyone. Or anyone here. are you seroius?

 

[Lasse]

Injetions of metronidazole...

:) Yes - I react too - but they are more into fish farms than aquariums. But uronema is a ciliat and there is other uronema like ciliats like Philasterides spp that can cause the disease scuticociliatosis. At least one of them is sensitive for metronidazole - just read this article


Here is a part of this article that is very important according treatment with all lipophilic remedies – my bold

Metronidazole, an effective antiprotozoal agent, was the drug of choice in this outbreak because it is well tolerated by sensitive fishes such as seahorses and because its liposolubility allows it to penetrate into internal organs. Metronidazole has a high intestinal absorption rate, resulting in distribution of the drug into all tissues.

This makes it effective against intestinal as well as tissue parasites.

Because of the anorexia observed in the infected seahorses, oral administration was not an option. Additionally, forced alimentation was difficult to perform because of the small buccal apparatus of the seahorse. Finally, prolonged handling could add further stress to weakened animals. Bath therapy was the method of choice because the
drug would likely have been effective against freeliving, epidermal and internal ciliates. As a bath, metronidazole would pass through the gill epithelium and diffuse into all tissues.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[HotRocks]

OH come on - dont create a false argument. You're right just saying 'humblefish' said it - is not enough - nor should it be for anyone. Or anyone here. are you seroius?

There was no argument lol. I just don't have any references handy nor can I really find any. I knew me saying I've used metro to treat uronema and it works wouldn't be enough for you. What's the argument?

I checked all of the links I have for treatment none of which yield any references. Upon quick surfing the web the only info I found was in regards to injections which isn't realistic for 99.9% of hobbyists.

I included the couple pages from Noga's book in regards to uronema to which does not provide any info about metro.

https://elibrarycenter.com/product/...y0cnx8QmxOIXb-Cz7Vj4U67WaMZKU2JgaAqQyEALw_wcB

As much of a researcher as you are @MnFish1 you would benefit from having a copy of this. It is over 20 years old. It really is a good resource.