Discussion in 'Fish Disease Treatment and Diagnosis' started by Humblefish, Jan 27, 2015.
I agree with this. At the very least I would do a very thorough observation for at least 2 weeks.
This is not what I wanted to hear I was planning to go tomorrow to get the next group of fish to put in quarantine #1 and only wanted to leave these two current fish in the 2nd quarantine for a week so I could have them out and the tank sterilized before the new batch of fish finish their 2 week treatment.
Is it likely that I would see signs of ich in a week if they had been reinfected?
Fish in question is a Midas blenny and a filefish if that makes a difference.
I know it isn't what you wanted to hear....
It all depends on the level of risk you want to assume. The reason for transferring the fish at the 2 week point was to get them away from hard surfaces that ich or velvet would encyst on. You transferred one of those hard surfaces with the fish. Is it likely that ich or velvet was encysted on that surface? I'm not sure. Is it likely one would have hatched in that 1 hour window it was in the tank? Probably not. Is it possible? Absolutely.
This becomes a risk analysis that you need to decide for yourself. Are you willing to continue with your plan knowing it is highly unlikely that ich or velvet hatched in that 1 hour window? I would probably take that risk, but that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do or will guarantee success.
I'm currently running cupramine in one of my QTs. I've finally reached my therpudic level at .53ppm. I've got two ammonia alert badges to be certain of ammonia levels.
-Do I need to worry about phosphate levels while I'm running copper for next 14 days? Tested phosphate and Hanna checker came back at 2.5
-Does cupramine stay stable or does it fluxuate at all now that im at my dose? I have no media in filter. And one dish with 1" of substrate in it for a Royal Pencil.
Good news, no need to worry about phosphate during this process
Looks like you're on top of the ammonia monitoring, which is great.
The sand shouldn't be an issue.
You should still monitor your copper level throughout treatment to be sure your level is maintained.
However - IMO - the sand will block lot of copper - you need to add much often to maiuntain your concentration
I use Fiji pink dry sand in QT for wrasses. I put it in a very small glass Pyrex dish. I personally don't experience any absorption using chelated copper. However depending on sand type, amount of sand, and type of copper ones mileage may vary.
Its caribsea aragonite sand (1-2mm). 8" round pyrex glassware, substrate about 1" deep. You think test every day or every couple?
@HotRocks is the exper here - I have never test that
I would test every day until the level is stable for a few days. Then check it every other day.
Sorry for being repetitive. I have recently transported all my fish from the DT to a QT. The hospital tank is only a 20G so I donated some of the fish to a LFS and gave them a heads up that they came from a tank infected with ICH. So fish left in the QT - Foxface, Coral Beauty, Small Convict tank, 6 line wrasse, 2 smaller clowns, Diamond goby and a scooter blenny. I started dosing Cupermine at 50% recommended levels and doing a 5 gal water change every other day while monitoring ammonia. I feel like this is to many fish in the 20g and I am worried about the goby, blenny, and 6 line in a bare bottom. I have a 6 gal fluval edge tank that I can set up and add some new live sand and maybe a small rock from the infected tank or some dry rock. Would or how would you recommend I set up the 6 gal fluval edge tank for the Goby, Blenny, and six line and should I also do copper in that tank even if there is sand in there?
Anyone know if Chloroquine phosphate is absorbed by live rock or sand?
Probably not but it is lipophilic (it means that it loves fat) and will enter all living organism – through skin or for fish through the gills - and bioaccumulate in their tissues – especially those that contain fat. His is the reasons why some fishes seem to tolerate a certain level in the beginning but – in the same level – they show issues after 1, 2, 3 weeks or so. The accumulated dose gets too high with time. IMO QP should not be used as a prophylactic method with the concentrations that is recommended today. Recently studies show issues with gills, liver and kidneys in common carp after a treatment with a dose (in the water) 3 times lower than the ones used today – see the end of this thread. However – it can probably defeat parasites even when they are on the fish – therefore a dip in high concentrations or long-time exposure (30 days) in very low concentrations probably can erect an acute infection. With low – I mean below 3 ppm active substance and total WC after that. But I have not done any experiments but according to QP:s way of enter and de-enter a fish (fast uptake and very low secretion rate) – as low concentration as possible is preferable.
But because of its effect on gills, liver and kidneys – it should not be used just in case (prophylactic) IMO.
I am setting up a QT tank I have a hang on back filter the sponges that come with do I just put them in my display tank to seed bacteria even though my display now has ice I am removing all fish today and going fallow for 80 days thanks for help
@Humblefish Trying to catch up on this thread and any advances in QT protocol since last April 2018. I have a shipment coming tomorrow (QT #1 = clown, damsels, 6-line wrasse. QT#2 = watchman, small yellow tang, starry blenny, gramma). What procedures are recommended? Rally bath (1 tsp / gal of RODI or SW)? Anything else you would recommend prior to starting Copper Power treatment (I do have Hanna Checker as well)? Also read you're researching combining Copper + Prazi + Metro (GC)? Any further info (haven't reached the end of thread...)? Thanks so much for your time and knowledge.
@Humblefish has stepped away from R2R for at least a little while. I would encourage you to check this out.
@HotRocks worked with him, along with much of his own testing, to develop this method.
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