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ZoWhat
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Everyone sell your tank, fish, coral and equipment
Instead, take up Fast Women and Slow Drinking
Disregard for reefing guidelines
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Instead, take up Fast Women and Slow Drinking
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Very funny!Everyone sell your tank, fish, coral and equipment
Instead, take up Fast Women and Slow Drinking
That girl must have a great dental plan!
elorablue
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Dude, why don't you use that energy and experience to question and challenge a certain someone on this forum who gives out bad science advice to mostly brand new reefers and this particular person doesn't even own a tank nor does he keep fish. If you did that you'd have my full and unwavering support, not that you're looking for it.
pbrown
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25 years ago I was armed with Sprung volumes 1-4. The reading was like Marine Biology PHD course.
now- 2 years back into reefing and we all blog and have iPhones. What a difference!
BTimms
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People see vibrant cool pictures and videos on social media and bring their over privileged wallet to the lfs, gear up, stock up and go. These people don’t consider that they are now responsible for live animals, nor appreciate the research and effort that is required. They just want pretty colours And it’s allll for their Instagram, or to show off, type of mentality.Anyone else seeing a dramatic rise of ppl that are new to the hobby and disregarding reefing guidelines?
Surely one would never go buy a rare type of dog without reading in depth on how to care for it, train it.... maybe ppl do just buy and figure it out later. What do i know?
I feel like a person in a Motorcycle Forum called Bike2Bike...with questions like,
"Is it okay to use first gear up until 65mph? And why does black smoke come out of my exhaust when I do this?"
"Can I ride backwards on my Harley and steer with my arms behind me? I wanna see where I've been"
I'm not understanding the total lack of discipline (common sense if you will) when entering a hobby, when you obviously know you have to do a lot of research for it.... yet a lot of ppl just seem to be winging-it
Lfs’s are partially To blame in that they are not monitoring who they sell to, greed of sale and do not offer immediate knowledge and guidance.
BTimms
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He has much to complain about.
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BTimms
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She seems nice.Everyone sell your tank, fish, coral and equipment
Instead, take up Fast Women and Slow Drinking
agame2021
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Honestly it might have been. The original article I read has been removed. Basically sounded a bit blown up and dramatic… about how they are outlawing anything that is not Tank bred/grown/raised. And it wasn’t on a “city” level that they mentioned more like a state(?! I don’t know what you all call the subdivided areas in Canada). But whatever. Guess that just goes to show how messed up our world is. And I guess I just helped murky the waters… my bad!
Forgive a young lad who can now not trust his own eyes?!
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So did the reefing guidelines that you were following over the past 17 years tell you to:
I've been reefing since 2004. Back when Compact Fluorescence lights were actually a thing.
2004-2010: Early years spent a TON of researching time on thereeftank.com, which was a site where it was mostly guys who started SW in the 80s. During these years had quite the MH setup over a 75g. Spent the first 6-9mos as FO and reading as much as I could on TheReefTank. Learned a ton of "reefing guidelines" from these old dudes. After I thought I was ready for corals maybe 9mos in, went thru 6yrs of AcroHell trying to do a mixed reef heavy on Acro. Got tried of losing a ton of Acros bc I was too lazy to follow Alk #s -vs- Alk spikes.
2010-2015: worked 20hrs a week at a local Coral shop. I was the lead tech where the Owner would bring in $1000 worth of corals every 1-2 weeks and I was the lead in fragging stuff. Also lead salesperson. Owner loved SPS so I left that work to him. He too failed over and over with Acros. He was a big Brightwell follower and kept burning up SPS with dosing Iodine. He wouldn't listen to me.....This job is where I fell in love with LPS, mostly zoanthids.
2015 - present: I now have a 6ft 180g with LED light and a tank full of zoas/palys.
I did from 2016-2018 go thru my Wrasse phase trying to keep multiple wrasses. They kept jumping out if the tank due to being territorial.
2018-2020 the Tang phase where I had too many Tangs, 3 to be exact in the 180. All reached full adult size and got territorial.
Present day: Now down to just one tang, one wrasse, several clowns, a tank full of zoas/palys.
I'm on R2R as my only form of social media entertainment..... Im not a quiet person (obviously) and I drag myself into trying to help ppl with my experience since 2004 and 5 yrs of Coral chop shop experience....Sorta like an experienced person on the sidelines saying,, "no, no, no don't do that! Arrrrgh!!"
but its getting harder to help ppl and overcome the amount ignorance (not stupidity, that's different) ....where one has to type out a 20 page dissertation on what ppl need to do to correct the wrong pathes they're going down.
- Be lazy with your Alk?
- Keep incompatible Wrasse together?
- Keep too many Tangs for the size tank that you have?
fish farmer
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I've had some good LFS owners before, but I rarely remember getting enough time to actually talk with them about stuff. Why? They would be talking up another customer for a half hour or so, going through all the ins and outs of an aquarium trying to make the sale. I've already done my research for the most part before hitting the store, I see what I want, maybe have a question or two, then bag it up and I'm gone. I've actually walked out of stores when the owner is busy talking up some one on what I believe can be had in a book, but I do understand that some people learn differently and may need that person to person talk.
One of my good friends worked for a little while in the LFS trade, very intelligent and passionate about fish and fisheries. He would be to type to steer you in the right direction and not try and make the sale. The problem with that is, that sale he doesn't make or the deterrent of "SW is needs more care" sends the nemo/dory seekers to a big chain store where the sale gets made. He finally left the business, what he called "the death hobby".
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ZoWhat
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So let's SKIP OVER all the statements where I researched and researched on TheReefTank to do my best in the early years where Reef knowledge was sparse and unorganized at best. And I waited 9mos to start corals.
I never claimed I was perfect or even near perfect in my early years (or evenly present day for God's sake) ..... but I did (and do) put in the research effort.
I continue to research a lot present day. I'm currently researching why some zoas get large and fleshy with 50-70 PAR 400-480nm lighting,, while others react with developing tiny discs heads
3 wrasses or Tangs in 6ft 180..... heck I read on here everyday where ppl list they have 5 wrasses or 4 Tangs in their 2-3month old tank. THATS MY POINT....Capisce?
Not appreciating surgical witch hunting tactics
But I'm not here to argue. Discuss hard to talk about things? Yes. But not listening to someone surgically pointing things out.
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ZoWhat
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Dude, why don't you use that energy and experience to question and challenge a certain someone on this forum who gives out bad science advice to mostly brand new reefers and this particular person doesn't even own a tank nor does he keep fish. If you did that you'd have my full and unwavering support, not that you're looking for it.
.... because that task of helping endless ppl is like the pic above. Ppl who who have started building their own house with little knowledge and unaware there is a ton of research reading that they need to do before coming out to any forum asking for us to give them what they perceive is the single golden answer.
many answers that need to be given to ppl could take pages and pages of typing to get them straightened out. all knowledge that is already documented if one goes researching for it
too daunting of a task to help ppl UNLESS they have done the research and just need fine-tuning on their knowledge
I ain't gonna build someone's house for them....
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If we didn’t have rule breakers old cycling science rule writers would still be getting minimum three bottles of cycling bac sold per api or Red Sea cycle (first one didnt fix nitrite, was dead obviously, buy two more)
Admittedly we’ve only convinced one percent of overall cyclers not to get played, but it’s a start and one percent is still about a thousand cycles logged the new way.
cycle stallers, we are coming for your reefs but thankfully not for charge— just to fix you up nerd style.
sometimes the rules as written need fact checked by folks with nothing to sell but have many friends with seneye now at the table.
Admittedly we’ve only convinced one percent of overall cyclers not to get played, but it’s a start and one percent is still about a thousand cycles logged the new way.
cycle stallers, we are coming for your reefs but thankfully not for charge— just to fix you up nerd style.
sometimes the rules as written need fact checked by folks with nothing to sell but have many friends with seneye now at the table.
When cycle stall professors are asked to remark on seneye readings regarding dry start cycles with bottle bac, and how not one time in history did a seneye cycle stall, we get silence. Crickets
no updated MACNA videos, radio silencia
sometimes reef rules wind up taking peoples cash unfairly.
no updated MACNA videos, radio silencia
sometimes reef rules wind up taking peoples cash unfairly.
elorablue
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I will agree with you that it can be very frustrating when a new person comes on here and starts asking the most basic of questions but you find out that their tank is already wet and they have a couple of fish in it already. Certainly not the best way to go about things. However, it's not too late to be helpful with them.
.... because that task of helping endless ppl is like the pic above. Ppl who who have started building their own house with little knowledge and unaware there is a ton of research reading that they need to do before coming out to any forum asking for us to give them what they perceive is the single golden answer.
many answers that need to be given to ppl could take pages and pages of typing to get them straightened out. all knowledge that is already documented if one goes researching for it
too daunting of a task to help ppl UNLESS they have done the research and just need fine-tuning on their knowledge
I ain't gonna build someone's house for them....
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This is not specific to the aquarium hobby though, the number of people who buy border collies, for example, with zero research into the breed, and then find out they're just a little high energy for their couch potato lifestyle is frankly sickening.
also, I'm kinda glad you didn't take the bait about a 'certain someone' ..best to just keep said person on ignore.
Totally agree. Seems like there are daily posts from "beginners" that are in over their head for many of the reasons already covered. Might suggest a new category on the header titled something along the lines of "new to the hobby?" Basic info could be provided to help get people off to a better start.
It's a start man. Tbh i do see you post and give sound advice and agree with most of it.
I've been reefing since 2004. Back when Compact Fluorescence lights were actually a thing.
2004-2010: Early years spent a TON of researching time on thereeftank.com, which was a site where it was mostly guys who started SW in the 80s. During these years had quite the MH setup over a 75g. Spent the first 6-9mos as FO and reading as much as I could on TheReefTank. Learned a ton of "reefing guidelines" from these old dudes. After I thought I was ready for corals maybe 9mos in, went thru 6yrs of AcroHell trying to do a mixed reef heavy on Acro. Got tried of losing a ton of Acros bc I was too lazy to follow Alk #s -vs- Alk spikes.
2010-2015: worked 20hrs a week at a local Coral shop. I was the lead tech where the Owner would bring in $1000 worth of corals every 1-2 weeks and I was the lead in fragging stuff. Also lead salesperson. Owner loved SPS so I left that work to him. He too failed over and over with Acros. He was a big Brightwell follower and kept burning up SPS with dosing Iodine. He wouldn't listen to me.....This job is where I fell in love with LPS, mostly zoanthids.
2015 - present: I now have a 6ft 180g with LED light and a tank full of zoas/palys.
I did from 2016-2018 go thru my Wrasse phase trying to keep multiple wrasses. They kept jumping out if the tank due to being territorial.
2018-2020 the Tang phase where I had too many Tangs, 3 to be exact in the 180. All reached full adult size and got territorial.
Present day: Now down to just one tang, one wrasse, several clowns, a tank full of zoas/palys.
I'm on R2R as my only form of social media entertainment..... Im not a quiet person (obviously) and I drag myself into trying to help ppl with my experience since 2004 and 5 yrs of Coral chop shop experience....Sorta like an experienced person on the sidelines saying,, "no, no, no don't do that! Arrrrgh!!"
but its getting harder to help ppl and overcome the amount ignorance (not stupidity, that's different) ....where one has to type out a 20 page dissertation on what ppl need to do to correct the wrong pathes they're going down.
As others have already pointed out its the commiserate and "Karen" part of some of the threads that may run a beginner off and most definitely get folks riled up in the process. But you know that. Anyhow its good to see some realness come out of this one. I dont want anyone to run across our back and forth on some of these threads and get a bad taste. Def not attacks on my part but rather just trying to come to some sort of understanding. The wife points out how I need to learn to be a better person everyday. Its times like these that I remember that.
BTW I've stuck to the strictest adherence of the "guidelines" the pros have layed out for us in the tank i posted. Its been my biggest challenge in reefing yet. Without those "rules" and guidelines i wouldnt been successful as I have. I have bent a few though
you know i saw the same article on the proposed canadian ban on inverts and anything not tank bred...i believe it was posted in the lounge section...not only cant i find it here any attempts to google it come up empty....
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