Fox Face with circular wound - ID?

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Picture reference for Day 7

#fishmedic
I tried to get a better shot out of water with the help of my daughter. We got some ok shots but I didn't want to stress the fish out too much:

Out of water Picture references:

Picture references from inside the tank:

Personally, I would avoid out of water shots - too stressful given the limited visual benefit.

 

[Isaac Alves]

Personally, I would avoid out of water shots - too stressful given the limited visual benefit.

Understood. I won't do that again. She's eating heartedly right now so hopefully any stress was short and no damage was done.

 

[mcarroll]

I would stop the Kanaplex, since it doesn't seem to be helping. No guarantees that the Neoplex will help either, just that it's safe to use and is a broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic.

Is it just me or does this look like one of the wounds in your ailment problem quiz thingy I was reading the other day?

Your description was that it looks like this and is mistaken for bacterial, but it's not.

Just an idea since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment....

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Is it just me or does this look like one of the wounds in your ailment problem quiz thingy I was reading the other day?

Your description was that it looks like this and is mistaken for bacterial, but it's not.

Just an idea since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the

Is it just me or does this look like one of the wounds in your ailment problem quiz thingy I was reading the other day?

Your description was that it looks like this and is mistaken for bacterial, but it's not.

Just an idea since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment....

Do you mean Uronema? That disease is often confused with bacterial diseases, but it is caused by a protozoan.

Uronema lesions are vertical, and are mostly seen in newly acquired fish.

There is a rare external fungus, but those produce a gray plaque, not white like this.

 

[mcarroll]

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/fish-issue-case-histories-–-test-your-knowledge.1111/
Case #4

 

[mcarroll]

Do you mean Uronema? That disease is often confused with bacterial diseases, but it is caused by a protozoan.

Uronema lesions are vertical, and are mostly seen in newly acquired fish.

There is a rare external fungus, but those produce a gray plaque, not white like this.

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/fish-issue-case-histories-–-test-your-knowledge.1111/
Case #4, so yeah.....was short on time before and didn't recall more specifics.

 

[Isaac Alves]

I did get a hold of a vet locally that does care for fish. The hospital is a Bird clinic and I was referred there by a couple other veterinarian offices closer to me.

I made the appt for Wednesday but I do need to bring the Fox Face into the office along with extra water -- which seems a bit stressful to me. My question is ---> Is this a good idea or should I just keep the fish in her hospital tank and start the Neoplex tonight or tomorrow after a water change and some carbon to pull out the Kanaplex.

Thanks.

 

[mcarroll]

if you had a microscope(it doesn't take a fancy one), getting the fish out of the tank one more time could hypotheticallybe worth it because you could get a sample and look at it... that is at least one of the things the vet will probably do.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I did get a hold of a vet locally that does care for fish. The hospital is a Bird clinic and I was referred there by a couple other veterinarian offices closer to me.

I made the appt for Wednesday but I do need to bring the Fox Face into the office along with extra water -- which seems a bit stressful to me. My question is ---> Is this a good idea or should I just keep the fish in her hospital tank and start the Neoplex tonight or tomorrow after a water change and some carbon to pull out the Kanaplex.

Thanks.

Ask if they will do a sensitivity study to determine the best antibiotic to use. If not, then IMO, it isn’t going to give you any meaningful outcome.

 

[Isaac Alves]

I called the veterinarian office (Serrano Animal & Bird Hospital in Lake Forest, Ca) and asked about whether or not they do a "sensitivity study" and what procedures the Doctor will do with an aquatic animal. I will hear back tomorrow it seems.

The veterinarian's name is Dr. Scott Weldy if anyone in the area is interested in knowing that there is a local vet option that seems to have experience with aquatic marine animals.

 

[Isaac Alves]

I really need some guidance here. Maybe it's just my anxieties or I just naturally have a hard time trusting people. But is it better to treat my foxface at home using Neoplex to see if that works? Or, actually take my pet to see a physical vet who may or may not be as experienced with aquatic animals?

I know I have more invested and I trust myself (to make my own mistakes) but at least I'll be able to keep a close eye on my animal.

Based on the couple of conversations I've had I don't believe they'll do a sensitivity analysis --- probably from lack of time, resources or equipment.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I really need some guidance here. Maybe it's just my anxieties or I just naturally have a hard time trusting people. But is it better to treat my foxface at home using Neoplex to see if that works? Or, actually take my pet to see a physical vet who may or may not be as experienced with aquatic animals?

I know I have more invested and I trust myself (to make my own mistakes) but at least I'll be able to keep a close eye on my animal.

Based on the couple of conversations I've had I don't believe they'll do a sensitivity analysis --- probably from lack of time, resources or equipment.

I’ve worked a number of zoo vets over the years - with only one exception, they held their own knowledge of fish diseases much higher than it actually is - but they are all game to take on new challenges (grin). For example, unless they research your case in advance, they won’t know that foxface have venomous spines….you’ll need to tell them that before they handle the fish.

The only thing that they can do for you that we can’t do remotely is take a wet mount biopsy of the lesion. They can then determine for certain that the cause isn’t protozoan or fungal (I’m fairly certain it is not). They could also run a dif-quick stain to tell that the bacteria gram negative or gram positive. Since virtually all external fish bacteria are gram negative, that isn’t very helpful.

Given the cost and high risk to the fish, I don’t see this as a really good option.

 

[Sophie"s mom]

Awww! Looks like she is CERTAINLY feeling better! So glad to see this.

 

[Isaac Alves]

I'm going to cancel the local vet appointment. I'm feeling confident about it and based on the results I would probably get it's not going to be worth stressing the FoxFace out any more. I'm too attached to this particular fish.

I did an 80% water change and running carbon in the hospital tank this morning. I will start Seachem Neoplex today.

Thank you @Jay Hemdal for the guidance. I appreciate it immensely.

 

[Isaac Alves]

Awww! Looks like she is CERTAINLY feeling better! So glad to see this.

She hasn't seemed to be changing her behaviour thus far. But looking through the images in this thread it looks to my very untrained eye that the wound has gotten worse. So I hope this next round of antibiotics helps the healing process.

Thank you for the kind words :)

 

[Sophie"s mom]

She hasn't seemed to be changing her behaviour thus far. But looking through the images in this thread it looks to my very untrained eye that the wound has gotten worse. So I hope this next round of antibiotics helps the healing process.

Thank you for the kind words :)

Aww, it looked to me like the area that was red has gotten considerably smaller. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Isaac Alves]

Aww, it looked to me like the area that was red has gotten considerably smaller. But maybe that's just me.

No, you're right. it has gotten smaller. I just don't understand why it's so red now and seemingly more build up around it. Compared to my first photo where it looked like it was swollen area but still yellow.

 

[Sophie"s mom]

No, you're right. it has gotten smaller. I just don't understand why it's so red now and seemingly more build up around it. Compared to my first photo where it looked like it was swollen area but still yellow.

Maybe one of the fish medics can chime in here cuz I sure as heck don't know. But it seems to to me the redness going away is a good sign. I honestly do not know. I just thought she looked good in that video of her swimming and then eating. I sure hope she gets better. She is a beautiful fish.

 

[Isaac Alves]

Here's a mundane irritation of mine with regards to directions for "scoops"


The label on the bottle says, "1 level measure...". What does this mean?

This is the measure tool provided:

Here's a closeup of the scoop itself...very shallow bed:

Ok...quick poll here to figure out what a scoop should look like. Because I need to do 7.5 measured scoops for my hospital tank dosage.



Scoop 1 -- pressed against the foil so that it's mostly level with the shovel area:

OR


Scoop 2 -- more of a heaping mound on shovel area:

Thank you #reefsquad for the answers :)

 

[Sophie"s mom]

Here's a mundane irritation of mine with regards to directions for "scoops"


The label on the bottle says, "1 level measure...". What does this mean?

This is the measure tool provided:

Here's a closeup of the scoop itself...very shallow bed:

Ok...quick poll here to figure out what a scoop should look like. Because I need to do 7.5 measured scoops for my hospital tank dosage.



Scoop 1 -- pressed against the foil so that it's mostly level with the shovel area:

OR


Scoop 2 -- more of a heaping mound on shovel area:

Thank you #reefsquad for the answers :)

CLEARLY SCOOP 1