Flukes - Dosing Prazi

[katrinatimm02]

My fish were dipped for flukes last week, after confirming that some came off I placed them in a quarantine tank with prazi. For understanding:

Dosed first prazi on Feb 23rd - Sunday

Left them in it until Friday - completed water change then allowed two days to sit

Redosed Prazi on March 2nd - Sunday

All fish were doing well and eating lots this whole time including this morning. (Tuesday)
Now this evening my wrasse is sitting at the bottom not eating or swimming and both my clowns are flashing and rubbing against pvc, but ate well.

I completed another water change tonight because there was a lot of poop in the water and I was worried water quality was an issue but now I’m not sure whether I should re dose prazi right away or wait.

I’m worried because the clowns never showed irritation until now.

I do have an air stone going and a sponge filter that is also forcing water agitation.

Please help. There’s so much information online and it can be so overwhelming.

 

[fishywishy]

My fish were dipped for flukes last week, after confirming that some came off I placed them in a quarantine tank with prazi. For understanding:

Dosed first prazi on Feb 23rd - Sunday

Left them in it until Friday - completed water change then allowed two days to sit

Redosed Prazi on March 2nd - Sunday

All fish were doing well and eating lots this whole time including this morning. (Tuesday)
Now this evening my wrasse is sitting at the bottom not eating or swimming and both my clowns are flashing and rubbing against pvc, but ate well.

I completed another water change tonight because there was a lot of poop in the water and I was worried water quality was an issue but now I’m not sure whether I should re dose prazi right away or wait.

I’m worried because the clowns never showed irritation until now.

I do have an air stone going and a sponge filter that is also forcing water agitation.

Please help. There’s so much information online and it can be so overwhelming.

So when you did a water change the first time, did you redose?

 

[katrinatimm02]

So when you did a water change the first time did you redose? Every time you do a water change you have to redose for the amount of water removed.

Hi there,
As I listed in the timeline above, I redosed on the Sunday. I was told to wait 2 two days after a water change before dosing again to give them a break and a chance to eat lots as it suppresses appetite.

 

[fishywishy]

Hi there,
As I listed in the timeline above, I redosed on the Sunday. I was told to wait 2 two days after a water change before dosing again to give them a break and a chance to eat lots as it suppresses appetite.

I would just redose and continue the treatment.

@Jay Hemdal

 

[vetteguy53081]

My fish were dipped for flukes last week, after confirming that some came off I placed them in a quarantine tank with prazi. For understanding:

Dosed first prazi on Feb 23rd - Sunday

Left them in it until Friday - completed water change then allowed two days to sit

Redosed Prazi on March 2nd - Sunday

All fish were doing well and eating lots this whole time including this morning. (Tuesday)
Now this evening my wrasse is sitting at the bottom not eating or swimming and both my clowns are flashing and rubbing against pvc, but ate well.

I completed another water change tonight because there was a lot of poop in the water and I was worried water quality was an issue but now I’m not sure whether I should re dose prazi right away or wait.

I’m worried because the clowns never showed irritation until now.

I do have an air stone going and a sponge filter that is also forcing water agitation.

Please help. There’s so much information online and it can be so overwhelming.

Our recommendation:
To be safe , dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite. If running a skimmer, leave cup off first 24 hrs as skimmer will go nuts from the glycol solution in Prazi

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Have you treated for ich/velvet. 7 days redose time for prazi is perfect. You don’t have to redose prazi every time you do a water change as long as you don’t do it in the first 72 hours after the dose. You do have to redose copper after every water change.

My gut tells me you have been focused on flukes and overlooked ich/velvet.

 

[katrinatimm02]

Have you treated for ich/velvet. 7 days redose time for prazi is perfect. You don’t have to redose prazi every time you do a water change as long as you don’t do it in the first 72 hours after the dose. You do have to redose copper after every water change.

My gut tells me you have been focused on flukes and overlooked ich/velvet.

They just got out of copper prior to this. It was definitely flukes it was all over my royal gramma and killed her sadly

 

[katrinatimm02]

Our recommendation:
To be safe , dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite. If running a skimmer, leave cup off first 24 hrs as skimmer will go nuts from the glycol solution in Prazi

This is just a standard protocol for dosing prazi, this doesn’t help me with my specific scenario of I dosed 2 days ago and did a water change and now don’t know whether to dose again or wait.

 

[vetteguy53081]

This is just a standard protocol for dosing prazi, this doesn’t help me with my specific scenario of I dosed 2 days ago and did a water change and now don’t know whether to dose again or wait.

Ye4s- repeat the dose. The additional dose is to address eggs which may be released and/or present. One dose for a couple of days does nothing especially since it takes a couple of days for prazi to take effect

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I still find it odd that flukes were able to do that much damage in the setting of 2 prazi Rx. Could there be another disease at work?

How many days of copper did you run and was it therapeutic at all times?

 

[katrinatimm02]

I still find it odd that flukes were able to do that much damage in the setting of 2 prazi Rx. Could there be another disease at work?

How many days of copper did you run and was it therapeutic at all times?

The gramma was gone when in copper and had been in it at therapeutic level for over 20 days by that point. I didn’t start any prazi treatment until after she died because I didn’t realize she even had it until I saw the marks and put her in fresh water.

 

[MnFish1]

The gramma was gone when in copper and had been in it at therapeutic level for over 20 days by that point. I didn’t start any prazi treatment until after she died because I didn’t realize she even had it until I saw the marks and put her in fresh water.

Hi - sorry about your fish - I guess my question would be did you treat with copper for 30 days - and how often did you test - and was the level always therapeutic >2. The other question - what were you using to filter your QT tank - if you have a lot of bacterial growth, prazipro can be more rapidly degraded. Again - would continue the protocol - and watch for symptoms (carefully) of another disease that may be playing a role.

 

[katrinatimm02]

Hi - sorry about your fish - I guess my question would be did you treat with copper for 30 days - and how often did you test - and was the level always therapeutic >2. The other question - what were you using to filter your QT tank - if you have a lot of bacterial growth, prazipro can be more rapidly degraded. Again - would continue the protocol - and watch for symptoms (carefully) of another disease that may be playing a role.

Hi, thank you. It’s really upsetting to lose them. Yes they were in therapeutic for 30 days. I tested every other day and it never went below 2ppm with copper safe. I even documented all my readings with dates and level in notes. Chose to move them over to a new quarantine tank to dose prazi after finding the gramma and confirming the flukes with fresh water dips on all. The filter is just a sponge filter with an air stone and a heater, bare bottom and some pvc pipes.

I’m gonna redose again tomorrow and keep an eye on them. They’re still eating great just flicking so I wonder if some eggs hatched

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I used to treat with copper first and then prazi, just like you are. But then I lost an incredible fish to flukes while in copper. So now, I no longer wait. I use copper and GC (or prazi) at the same time. In my next round of quarantine (once I move the tank to the garage vs inside my house) I’m going to run copper, prazi and formalin all at the same time. A lot of the vendors do this and I won’t take the chance again of losing a fish to one disease while I’m treating for another.

 

[MnFish1]

Hi, thank you. It’s really upsetting to lose them. Yes they were in therapeutic for 30 days. I tested every other day and it never went below 2ppm with copper safe. I even documented all my readings with dates and level in notes. Chose to move them over to a new quarantine tank to dose prazi after finding the gramma and confirming the flukes with fresh water dips on all. The filter is just a sponge filter with an air stone and a heater, bare bottom and some pvc pipes.

I’m gonna redose again tomorrow and keep an eye on them. They’re still eating great just flicking so I wonder if some eggs hatched

Remember also - that as flukes die that can irritate the skin - which may be causing some of your fish symptoms. Good luck - keep everyone posted!!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

My fish were dipped for flukes last week, after confirming that some came off I placed them in a quarantine tank with prazi. For understanding:

Dosed first prazi on Feb 23rd - Sunday

Left them in it until Friday - completed water change then allowed two days to sit

Redosed Prazi on March 2nd - Sunday

All fish were doing well and eating lots this whole time including this morning. (Tuesday)
Now this evening my wrasse is sitting at the bottom not eating or swimming and both my clowns are flashing and rubbing against pvc, but ate well.

I completed another water change tonight because there was a lot of poop in the water and I was worried water quality was an issue but now I’m not sure whether I should re dose prazi right away or wait.

I’m worried because the clowns never showed irritation until now.

I do have an air stone going and a sponge filter that is also forcing water agitation.

Please help. There’s so much information online and it can be so overwhelming.

Are you using Prazipro or some other form of prazi?

Did you dose for the actual volume of the tank (not its rated volume). For example, a 10 gallon tank may only hold 8.2 gallons of water. I tell people to either dose on the actual known measured volume of the tank, for dose it at 85% of its "rated" volume.

Have you checked the actual water quality by measuring the pH and ammonia?

What did the flukes look like that came off in the dip?

 

[katrinatimm02]

Using prazi, attached photo. Yes, I dosed for actual volume. I built the quarantine tank the same night I put them in it so I made fresh saltwater and knew exactly how many 1 gallon bottles I put into the tank.

I’ve been testing the water quality and Ph is good at around 8, ammonia is high which is to be expected as it’s an uncycled and small tank and so prime has been added every 24 hours with water changes when possible.

You can see the flukes visible on the photo of the royal gramma I attached in an above response. Basically just like little seeds or floating bubbles

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Using prazi, attached photo. Yes, I dosed for actual volume. I built the quarantine tank the same night I put them in it so I made fresh saltwater and knew exactly how many 1 gallon bottles I put into the tank.

I’ve been testing the water quality and Ph is good at around 8, ammonia is high which is to be expected as it’s an uncycled and small tank and so prime has been added every 24 hours with water changes when possible.

You can see the flukes visible on the photo of the royal gramma I attached in an above response. Basically just like little seeds or floating bubbles

What level of ammonia are you seeing? I don't like to use Prime for ammonia control (run a search on prime+ammonia here). I prefer Amquel.

If you can see flukes with your naked eye, they are Neobendenia flukes. Those are tough to treat. I prefer to use hyposalinity at 15 ppt for 30 days. You can try prazi, but that doesn't kill the eggs, so you need to do multiple treatments. Some people go 5 treatments, 5 days apart.

 

[MnFish1]

Using prazi, attached photo. Yes, I dosed for actual volume. I built the quarantine tank the same night I put them in it so I made fresh saltwater and knew exactly how many 1 gallon bottles I put into the tank.

I’ve been testing the water quality and Ph is good at around 8, ammonia is high which is to be expected as it’s an uncycled and small tank and so prime has been added every 24 hours with water changes when possible.

You can see the flukes visible on the photo of the royal gramma I attached in an above response. Basically just like little seeds or floating bubbles

To amplify what @Jay Hemdal said - 1. Prime will affect ammonia testing. 2. There is some pretty good information suggesting that Prime does not lower ammonia levels. It may be that ammonia is worsening (potentially not causing) your problem?

 

[MnFish1]

Addendum - I meant to say - the best way to manage ammonia in a QT tank in addition to a sponge filter, etc - is water changes - using water with the correct copper concentration. I.e take x gallons out - and add back x gallons at a copper concentration at >2